Comments on: Ask Janus: The 14th Amendment http://www.secularconservative.net/civil-rights/ask-janus-fourteenth-amendment/ Mon, 10 May 2010 01:39:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Innocent Bystander http://www.secularconservative.net/civil-rights/ask-janus-fourteenth-amendment/#comment-4442 Innocent Bystander Tue, 05 May 2009 15:55:31 +0000 http://www.secularconservative.net/civil-rights/ask-janus-fourteenth-amendment/#comment-4442 There was no such thing as a marriage license until after the Civil War, same for gun registration. The reason these came about was because it didn't seem a good idea to hand guns to a large group of people who have been enslaved. They might have been an angry lot. And the idea of Black and White marriage was offensive to most. The government made it so you needed a Marriage License for interracial marriage. So, by virtue of the 14th Amendment: "Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Prior to this there had never been the word "subject" used to describe the people's relationship to their government. And citizenship was recognized by State first, United States second. This was changed. It had been assumed that the government was subject to we, the people, but In order to give slaves a higher status by making them citizens, it decreased everyone's free status to a be one that was subject to a higher authority, our government. This opened the door to regulate our God given rights. The Bill of Rights is not a laundry list of the freedoms granted the people by the government, it is a list of what we claim as a sentient beings. It was written down to make sure our government understood not to trample in such areas since they have a tendency to do just that. Marriage was announced between two people as a Common Law act, usually held at a church so that society could witness the union. But it required no law, no paper, no witness. There was no such thing as a 1040 Married, Filing Jointly. It was your claim as a two free persons. It was between you and your God, if you had one. It was not regulated. Today, Common Law marriage is still legal. I simply say that I am married to her and she, if I am lucky, says the same thing. Today, if it were not for slavery and the 14th Amendment, all gays would have to do would be to declare their status as married. If I didn't agree with that, too bad. I cannot force another to share my religious beliefs. Our government was set up as a Republic, based on property rights. The Bill of Rights describes these rights. We own our body, our mind, our thoughts. We make our choice and determine our lives based on this fact. You might live in such a way that revolts me, but it is your right. Shouldn't the argument for gay rights begin with changing our status from being subject to our government to that of our rights being held in Sovereignty? There was no such thing as a marriage license until after the Civil War, same for gun registration. The reason these came about was because it didn’t seem a good idea to hand guns to a large group of people who have been enslaved. They might have been an angry lot. And the idea of Black and White marriage was offensive to most. The government made it so you needed a Marriage License for interracial marriage. So, by virtue of the 14th Amendment:

“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Prior to this there had never been the word “subject” used to describe the people’s relationship to their government. And citizenship was recognized by State first, United States second. This was changed. It had been assumed that the government was subject to we, the people, but In order to give slaves a higher status by making them citizens, it decreased everyone’s free status to a be one that was subject to a higher authority, our government.

This opened the door to regulate our God given rights. The Bill of Rights is not a laundry list of the freedoms granted the people by the government, it is a list of what we claim as a sentient beings. It was written down to make sure our government understood not to trample in such areas since they have a tendency to do just that.

Marriage was announced between two people as a Common Law act, usually held at a church so that society could witness the union. But it required no law, no paper, no witness. There was no such thing as a 1040 Married, Filing Jointly. It was your claim as a two free persons. It was between you and your God, if you had one. It was not regulated.

Today, Common Law marriage is still legal. I simply say that I am married to her and she, if I am lucky, says the same thing. Today, if it were not for slavery and the 14th Amendment, all gays would have to do would be to declare their status as married. If I didn’t agree with that, too bad. I cannot force another to share my religious beliefs.

Our government was set up as a Republic, based on property rights. The Bill of Rights describes these rights. We own our body, our mind, our thoughts. We make our choice and determine our lives based on this fact. You might live in such a way that revolts me, but it is your right. Shouldn’t the argument for gay rights begin with changing our status from being subject to our government to that of our rights being held in Sovereignty?

]]> By: donald foster http://www.secularconservative.net/civil-rights/ask-janus-fourteenth-amendment/#comment-3127 donald foster Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:36:28 +0000 http://www.secularconservative.net/civil-rights/ask-janus-fourteenth-amendment/#comment-3127 had anyone took to the supreme Court about what sodomite is agru about that congress can not make any laws concerning relgion A sodomite in hebrew is male temple protitue who worship idol. had anyone took to the supreme Court about what sodomite is
agru about that congress can not make any laws concerning relgion

A sodomite in hebrew is male temple protitue who worship idol.

]]> By: Colleen http://www.secularconservative.net/civil-rights/ask-janus-fourteenth-amendment/#comment-266 Colleen Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:50:19 +0000 http://www.secularconservative.net/civil-rights/ask-janus-fourteenth-amendment/#comment-266 The Constitution was designed adapt to the environment as time changes -therefore is flexible and can be changed. The Constitution was designed adapt to the environment as time changes -therefore is flexible and can be changed.

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