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Secular Muslims Good, Religious Muslims Bad?

Published by Janus on December 9, 2008

There are people out there that fear Islam. They believe, wrongly, that Islam is a religion of hate, intolerance, and armed religious revolution. Anti-Muslim ideology has become the new, bigoted, rallying cry for xenophobic pro-western smacktards whose knowledge and understanding of a subject is limited to, “he’s a rag head.”

Look, there are plenty of reasons to criticize Obama. There are plenty of reasons to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are plenty of reasons to want to hunt down and kill terrorists. “Because he’s a Muslim” is not one of them.

These people aren’t evil because they’re Muslims. They’re evil and, coincidently, also Muslim.

I say this because I was pondering the Georgia situation. Turkey, a strictly secular but overwhelmingly Muslim country, hasn’t been the target of hate speech in mainstream America since World War I (Hint: we were against them). I started thinking about the most hated Muslim countries and ticked my way down (in a very unscientific, unresearched kind of way) a sort of list of the countries that people really, really hate and came to the conclusion that the more secular a Muslim country is, the less hated it is by the general public, regardless of how Muslim its people actually are.

Iran’s people are more progressive than other middle eastern countries, but it’s government is run by the Ayatollahs. The Saudis are one of America’s best allies in the region and a strong trading partner, but they’re run by a royal family that follows strict Sharia Law and they’re hated by Americans. When was the last time you heard someone ranting about Morocco or Jordan? They both have kings. They’re both overwhelmingly (90%+) Muslim. They’re monarchies. But both grant freedom of religion to their citizens.

The other half of the thought process going into all of this flows from the natural contrarain in me. If that logic can be applied to one thing, what’s to stop it from working on another? In other words, I am lead to ask a question of those who hate and fear Muslims:

If a government is “better” because it relies less on their religion, why wouldn’t it be better if it relied less on your religion? You’ve obviously reached a conclusion that their religion is bad. It’s bad because they base their law on a book and a prophet of God. It’s bad because their god commands them that they shall have be no other gods before Him. It’s bad because they think they’re going to heaven for what they’re doing. It’s bad because a few of them have read an obscure reference in that same holy book that tells them they should not tolerate sin. It tells them to lash out and destroy that which is evil in the eyes of God.

There’s an eerie reflection in that mirror.

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8 Comments

Alternate ending:

If a government is “better” because it relies less on their conclusions about God, why wouldn’t it be better if it relied less on your conclusions about God? You’ve obviously reached a conclusion that their theory is bad. It’s bad because they base their conclusions on an unprovable theory. It’s bad because their theory commands them that they shall have be no other theories besides theirs. It’s bad because they think they’re going to magically enlighten everyone with their brilliant logic. It’s bad because a few of them have read an obscure reference in some New York Times Best Seller that tells them they should not tolerate other religions. It tells them to lash out and destroy that which is evil in the eyes of the politically correct.

This really wasn’t what I planned on writing today.

 Comment by Janus on December 9, 2008 @ 3:18 pm

A government is better because it relies less on superstition and more on reality. It isn’t religion that necessarily causes evil, evil is done by evil men, religion simply gives a ready-made excuse to perform evil deeds and say “God told me to”. I just did a story on Ethiopian child-brides, where the local Christian church holds a belief that the Virgin Mary was married at age 15 and therefore, all girls should be too. This results in 90% of all girls being married far too young, simply because the local church says to do it.

The same is true of government, especially when you have idiots in the White House who think that their mandate comes from God rather than the American people. When your religious fantasy life over-rules your rational mind, you’ve got trouble and when you’re talking to God, asking what you ought to do, you need to go with the nice men in white coats with the special jacket with arms that tie in the back.

 Comment by Cephus on December 10, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

Evil people do evil things, regardless of the banner they wave to justify it. If you want someone to cook, clean, do all your chores for you, and have sex with, and you’re in a position to make that happen, I’d be willing to bet you can get it. If you want to get away with it, your options are 1) justify it and make it socially acceptable or 2) hide it.

The people in positions of authority have obviously gone with the first option.. but they don’t have to be Orthodox Christians to make the rationalization work. If I were an Atheist, and if I had a “community group” (we won’t call it a church), and if I were an evil bastard who wanted a child bride, I would make it happen.

“When you die, only two things remain: your genetic material and the legacy you leave to that material. It is imperative that you, as reasonable, rational people, be a part of the future of humanity. You can’t just live a good life, you also have to make sure your genes are passed on to the next generation. Without you, humanity cannot evolve! Without children, nothing of you will remain when you die. Breed early and breed often!”

I’m not giving the Ethiopian Orthodox Church a pass on this, I’m just saying evil people are evil people, regardless of what gang colors they want to wear.

 Comment by Janus on December 10, 2008 @ 1:22 pm

muslims are not bad people. they are loving and kind. but u don’t seem to see that

converted muslim

 Comment by Anonymous on December 13, 2008 @ 11:59 am

You cannot generalize at all, Muslims are just people, like everyone else. A good person will generally do good things, a bad person will generally do bad things. However, to make a good person do bad things, that usually requires religion or something similar. Blind adherence to dogma gives one a terminal case of the crazies.

 Comment by Cephus on December 16, 2008 @ 1:03 am

Islam and Christians are just the same. The religion is not the root of evil but the people who preach the wrong teachings of the religion itself for self righteousness and justification of their evil act. Muslim tend to justify the jihad or holy war by terrorism wherein in fact the Koran prohibits and condemns killing innocent people. Christians on the other hand mainly the Catholic People, during 16-18th century, they mass murder a lot of people believing that they are pagan and children of Satan, a stupid act initiated by the Vatican. Furthermore, the use of God-like idol of Jesus which is very handsome where in fact is kind of opposite of what he really looks like in the bible is a kind of taboo that the catholic church represents. True salvation cannot be achieved by believing in other people who says that they are righteous. Read, research and discover the answers for yourself by opening Koran or Bible, because the people that runs the religion right now are the root of vileness and evilness that makes this world ugly.

I have high respect for Queen Rania of Jordan. Although, I am a catholic before but now an Atheist, her view with regard to Islam and its teachings is what amazes me. I hope that the catholic people would also see the ugliness of our own religion. The Vatican who done nothing but self preservation and senseless teachings not base on the bible is what makes our religion much worse that Islam. Its such a pity that we catholic people try to make ourselves, righteous but were in fact, much worse and ugly that our brothers and sisters in Islam Religion. Read our bible and try to know the truth and ask ourselves, are we better than them or we are just denying the ugliness that we have.

 Comment by Anonymous on December 31, 2008 @ 11:36 am

Islam and Christians are just the same. The religion is not the root of evil but the people who preach the wrong teachings of the religion itself for self righteousness and justification of their evil act. Muslim tend to justify the jihad or holy war by terrorism wherein in fact the Koran prohibits and condemns killing innocent people. Christians on the other hand mainly the Catholic People, during 16-18th century, they mass murder a lot of people believing that they are pagan and children of Satan, a stupid act initiated by the Vatican. Furthermore, the use of God-like idol of Jesus which is very handsome where in fact is kind of opposite of what he really looks like in the bible is a kind of taboo that the catholic church represents. True salvation cannot be achieved by believing in other people who says that they are righteous. Read, research and discover the answers for yourself by opening Koran or Bible, because the people that runs the religion right now are the root of vileness and evilness that makes this world ugly.

I have high respect for Queen Rania of Jordan. Although, I am a catholic before but now an Atheist, her view with regard to Islam and its teachings is what amazes me. I hope that the catholic people would also see the ugliness of our own religion. The Vatican who done nothing but self preservation and senseless teachings not base on the bible is what makes our religion much worse that Islam. Its such a pity that we catholic people try to make ourselves, righteous but were in fact, much worse and ugly that our brothers and sisters in Islam Religion. Read our bible and try to know the truth and ask ourselves, are we better than them or we are just denying the ugliness that we have.

 Comment by Lucifer on December 31, 2008 @ 11:37 am

i lyke muslims
they r really nice people once u really get to kno em but 5 wifes WHOA

 Comment by chanel on July 15, 2009 @ 4:17 pm